I've tried salvia, it tastes like fresh asscrack.

lol its not that bad really but the thing is to get the effects you have to get it real hot to vaporise the active ingredient which means bonging it pretty hard and using one of those windproof lighters with a blue flame... smoking it in a j doesnt burn as hot so doesnt do much except make ur green taste worse.

It doesnt really have that good a hit imho either. Most of it is probably lack of oxygen to the brain from having to bong that shit so hard.

However, you can get like 5x or 10x concentrated salvia divinorum ('sage of the the diviner') which I haven't tried, and I expect would make it much easier to get a hit.

Imo good shrooms (psylocybic NOT those red and white toadstool shit which will f*** you up) are waaaaay better, relatively harmless in a reasonable dose, and legal too in many countries. Just as long as you don't dry them (or let anyone find out ) lol - but I would never condone anyone to break the law. You take your own responsibility for the laws in your country.

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Well I wqasn't gonna tell people how to do it, and shrooms are like completely illegal over here. They are I supose better, and they last alot longer, which is why I don't wanna try shrooms. Rather have a 10 min trip and be done with it.

Someone told me that if you hit that stuff right, it's like reality just tears apart in front of you.

I dont do any kind of drugs anymore, I am one of those addictive personality ppl and felt enough was enough. But i think the best arguement for legalization is the fact of who is handling it. We had an incedent here in canada where a kid ended up paralyzed from smoking hash oil. It seems it was cut with something that acted as a neuro-toxin. L.S.D in Canada lately anyway you could probly make from things in under youre kitchen sink. The point is any moron with a cpl dollars can go and buy it and cut it with something dangerous. So if you're going to do it i think you better be careful who you get it from.

I guess I've never tried hard enough then

But I've got no problems telling people about salvia, its 100% legal.

...and I certainly wouldn't tell ppl all I know about shrooms I used to grow them (when they were legal in the UK as long as they were fresh).

As far as shrooms go, yes the effects last a while but my favourite thing about them is that the effects scale wonderfully with the dose.

This is for those of you in europe who live in a country where fresh shrooms are legal:

Fresh cubensis would be a spaced out giggle (like weed but more fun) at 1/2 oz, a full oz would give you more a of a trip experience, and 2/3 to 3/4 of an ounce would be somewhere in between.

If you are cautious about shrooms, just try a lower dose and you will still have a great time without 'tripping'. Its nowhere near as vulgar and abrupt as LSD, the effects are far more subtle.

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They sell salvia in tobacconists over here. It's not the best, but it's alright, it'll give you a wicked headrush for about 5-10 mins then its over with.

As for shroom, yeh they are good, but in extreme moderation. I've done shrooms a few times, but I also know someone who's died off mushrooms, IRL.. so it's definately more risky than smoking weed or anything..

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You should either love me with a passion, or hate me to death..

Stop posting huge ass posts, its hard to follow you loser's debating over drugs..

try Embalming Fluid mixed with your weed that wet and sherm baby!!! haha I think i have done it but that's cuz street hustlers are bunch of bitches who like to f*** with our minds I never actually went out to buy it it came with it... and they would say thats hydro or haze my ass this is something else.... good old days but from what I analyze basically you feel like you superman haha I wouldn't suggest it though without the warnings http://www.streetdrugs.org/embalm.htm ..... unless ofcourse you have to knock out someone one day this is the right thing for ya

I miss my high school days so much now...

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There are more than one kind of shroom ashes.

Reportedly for psylocybic mushrooms (true 'magic mushrooms') you would have to eat your own body weight in them to overdose.

If your friend died from 'shrooms', then this would either have been

a) picked the wrong ones which were poisonous

b) they were 'fly agaric' mushrooms. These are actually a completely different drug, and are partly the reason why magic mushrooms have a bad name.

Fly Agaric amanita muscaria (the classic red and white toadstool from folklore) is more like a witches brew. They do not contain psylocybin, they contain completely different active chemicals called muscimol and isobotenic acid. The experience from these is more like a delirium and can make you very, very ill. Also, many members of the amanita family look similar and are deadly.

The main risk from shrooms is thus taking the wrong kind. There are more species of fungus on this planet than any other organism, so its not exactly easy. The best way is to eliminate this risk by cultivating them from spore so you know exactly what you are getting as I did HOWEVER only if this is legal in your country.

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I really like a man who knows his mushrooms....


Salvia isn't a party drug anyway, it's something you have to prepare for, and make sure someone's on hand to stop you hurting yourself incase you react physcailly to it instead of just laying there. If you are gonna smoke it, then get the highest concentration extract possible so you don't have to take as much smoke, and less will go to waste. It's not something that makes you want to come back for more, that's certain. I still have a little 20x extract left, and I really want to smoke it, but I can't bring myself to do it 'cos I can't get the perfect environment. I've seen up to 60x strength around, which you'd have to be very careful with.

It really does have reverse tolerance though, the more often you try it, the more of an effect it has. If you chew the fresh leaves for half an hour, you get a milder but longer trip (Probably about half an hour.) The shamans who used to use Salvia for spirit journeys etc. would never have smoked it.

An interesting thing to note is that "Salvia" is the Sage and Mint family; various kinds of every day Salvias can be used to improve dream recall, peppermint or spearmint tea before bed being the best I know of.


OK, speaking of leagal trips. Morning Glory seeds. Ipomoea Violacea (I think). Eat 400 of those and it's similar to acid, but with a softer, more natural "edge" to it. However, they also turns to soap in your stomach which can make you extremely sick. It has numerous other side effects too, and should most definately not even be considered if you don't have a 100% healthy cardio vascular system...

I believe it's perfectly legal (may be wrong,) but difficult, to extract the active chemical, which is pretty much a base equivalent to LSD, and which it most probably commonly sold as LSD. Just goes to show that that because something is legal or not has no bearing on wether you should be taking it.


EDIT: I agree with Thass on the deadliness of shrooms. They're not harmful in any dose that wouldn't completely blow you into an alternate dimension for the next 10 years. I think the LD50 in rats was their own body weight, and rats are used as a benchmark for pretty much all drugs and pharmaceuticals. There ARE mushrooms that look very similar to the untrained eye but are extremely poisonous.

LD50 is the the dose that would be lethal to 50% of the test subjects. There's no way you'd be able to swallow 1% of your own body mass, let alone stomach it.

Small quote, about the active chemical, ignoring the rest of the mass associated with eating shrooms:

"Psilocybin has a fairly high LD50, signifying very low toxicity — less than half that of caffeine when administered intravenously in rats. Death from psilocybin intake alone is unknown at most recreational or medicinal levels."

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Moving to offtopic

Good move Echo, I can't even remember what the original thread was about, and weed has made me too lazy to go back and look

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Thassius wrote:There are more than one kind of shroom ashes.

Reportedly for psylocybic mushrooms (true 'magic mushrooms') you would have to eat your own body weight in them to overdose.

If your friend died from 'shrooms', then this would either have been

a) picked the wrong ones which were poisonous

b) they were 'fly agaric' mushrooms. These are actually a completely different drug, and are partly the reason why magic mushrooms have a bad name.

Fly Agaric amanita muscaria (the classic red and white toadstool from folklore) is more like a witches brew. They do not contain psylocybin, they contain completely different active chemicals called muscimol and isobotenic acid. The experience from these is more like a delirium and can make you very, very ill. Also, many members of the amanita family look similar and are deadly.

The main risk from shrooms is thus taking the wrong kind. There are more species of fungus on this planet than any other organism, so its not exactly easy. The best way is to eliminate this risk by cultivating them from spore so you know exactly what you are getting as I did HOWEVER only if this is legal in your country.

Don't lecture me on shrooms, any kid who's bored and as the internet can reciet that little speil to me Thass.

I know what's what, and shit, I've probably done shrooms more than you have (no, not that I'm proud) and growing them, shit that's childs play over here.

She did neither of the two, she OVERDOSED, because she took TOO much.. that usually what an overdose is..

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You should either love me with a passion, or hate me to death..

i didnt mean to give you mushrooms girl, i didnt mean to bring you to my world, and now youre sitting in the corner dying, and its my fault.

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Emo wrote:she OVERDOSED, because she took TOO much

Patronise me all you want, but I'm sorry thats physically impossible with psylocybic magic mushrooms (scientifically proven) so there must have been something else that caused it (ie a poisonous strain).

I'm sorry to hear what happened to her though... but perpetuating mistruths like that is destructive and sorry to break it to ya but also means that what you heard about her cause of death wasn't 100% accurate. Do some research and them come back to me, mmkay? Ianegg knows his shit. You clearly don't.

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Thassius wrote:

Emo wrote:she OVERDOSED, because she took TOO much

Patronise me all you want, but I'm sorry thats physically impossible with psylocybic magic mushrooms (scientifically proven) so there must have been something else that caused it (ie a poisonous strain).

I'm sorry to hear what happened to her though... but perpetuating mistruths like that is destructive and sorry to break it to ya but also means that what you heard about her cause of death wasn't 100% accurate. Do some research and them come back to me, mmkay? Ianegg knows his s***. You clearly don't.

Actually, you're the dumbest person I've heard to say you can't "O.D" on shroom, seriously, go back to your "drugs for beginers" book, I think you could take a few tips. The only "drug" you can't O.D on, is marijuana because you'd pass out before you O.D.

It is MORE than possible to overdose on mushrooms, and whichever idiot "scientifically proved" that you can't, must be one hell of a scientist to be able to make his tests show what he wanted you to hear.

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You should either love me with a passion, or hate me to death..