There are alot of things that draw my attetien about gains.

1.Anatomy

I am 60 anatomy and I trained it for about 3 hours the other day and i got 0 gains. And a shit load of int gains.


2.Magery

Back in the good days of obsidian you could gm magery with one spell, but now you gotta cast spells high enough to your skill. So when I hit 80 or something ill have to use fs to get one gain witch sucks because is uses a shit load of regs and mana, Not one person is going to use the time to do that.


3.Resist

Resist is slow as hell i am 60 resist and i got 0.1 gains from almost 300 ns way to slow.





Thats all i can think of atm. Please think about them

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What i see happening is no one bothering to make a mage because it is to time and resource consuming. That and they are severly underpowered now compared to warriors so why bother.

Anatomy

hasn't changed, gains proceed as normal. Either you're exxagerrating or just really really unlucky.

Magery

You do realize that first off, that "1 spell" took 5-10 times more casts to get 1 gain than the higher spells, right?
so your mana/resource argument goes out the window.
And tons of people have gm'd magery without ever spamming fireball or cure or poison. In fact people macroing their magery up on a slow gain low level spell is a relatively recent occurence(only in the past 3-4 years.)

Resist

Resist hasn't changed, it's gained through fighting and takes work, like all the other skills. Go fight things that cast spells on you.

Anatomy

Well then idk cause i am getting 0 gains and i macro it alot.



Magery

All i know is that the old way worked and i saw people training magery at the bank. And i did not say the only way to gm magery was to spam spells.



Resist


I seem not to resist any spells as well and i have a mage that is spaming spells on me. I have been hunting alot latly in desterd and shame 0 gains.

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Well on the magery thing, I'm not gaining a slight bit of skill no matter what spell I use. Usually in an hour span or so when playing I cast some more difficult spells for me like explosion (I'm around 67 magery) as many times as possible trying to force a gain. I no longer use magic arrow or fireball in a basic fight, just lightning. Still zilcho gain.

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MAGERY

Pisses me off

But really, it sucks dick, no casting on yourself makes no since, it's stupid and I hate it, change it back now...or else..

MAGES

Also suck big wiener, they are pointless now and suck!


GAINS

This new gain system is gay, It's retarded to have to say for example mix gheal's to get f****** gains. Or cast flamestrikes on someone to try and get a gain, or smith platemail to gain smithing, you get the point hopefully...that I hate it. The old system kicked ass and don't tell me you cannot take it back because you can.


STAFF

Never on.


FIZZLING

While in a wall with dynamite, I noticed that by summoning 1 bear I would make him fizzle many many times. Then while I was in the middle of owning the life out of the poor noob I thought if it were me with the bear attacking me, it would not be to fun. So that is another thing that is gay.


DRAGONS

Are to hard, they are better the way they were, please change them. I can no longer hunt destard by myself, I now need 3 people, stupid.


WARRIORS

I want my archery to work.


SPAWN

My skills have dropped down -3.0 each GM skill, I overcapped due to the race change, not knowing it would happen. Can someone please help, I've asked 3 times.


OYTRAS

Only eat stupid food, I've lost 1 due to this.


FAILING

When mixing 450 ginseng I fail a ton, way more than I did back then, fix please.


PARRYING

I never ever ever parry any kind of spell when my shield is equipped, I've been in alot of fights and I've never parryed a spell, I hope this is temp.


SPELL TIMERS

Some spells are slower than before, flamestrike, protection, harm, etc. Please put these back, I had all of these timed down so I wouldnt even have to look at the screen to cast spell after spell.


I'm hungry, I will continue to b**ch later, THANKS!

The only problem I really have with resist atm is the needing to hunt magic beasties to gain. It may just be a flawed observation on my behalf but rarely does something cast something on me of high enough...er...circle to produce a gain for me. The one's that probably do, I either stand toe-to-toe with, with my pvm mage & make'em fizzle or - well i couldn't possible take the majority of them on with my warrior.

What I'm trying to explain in a round-about way is that previously I could have just gone somewhere kind of randomly & fought an orc (mage) or npc mage & fluked a gain. It was a nice bonus which I kinda miss :/

Apocalypse wrote: DRAGONS

Are to hard, they are better the way they were, please change them. I can no longer hunt destard by myself, I now need 3 people, stupid.

Maybe a slight tweak? They're not all that bad.

Apocalypse wrote: OYTRAS

Only eat stupid food, I've lost 1 due to this.

Try apples, I feed all kinds apples - failing that buy a new one from me

Apocalypse wrote: PARRYING

I never ever ever parry any kind of spell when my shield is equipped, I've been in alot of fights and I've never parryed a spell, I hope this is temp.

I parry all kinds. Actually, thinking about it - is it possible this is getting in the way of possible resist gains?

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Dude you really, really need to improve your tone on the forums. Have you not learned from your suspension?

Rudeness, swearing and sarcasm are not necessary. They do not improve your message, and you will realise that it actually makes people listen to you LESS.

In fact, I found myself skimming your points in between the below. Let me suggest some alternatives:

"pisses me off"
- I don't like it very much

"it sucks dick"
- I don't like what you've done with Magery, I think becoming a Grandmaster mage should involve casting spells on myself and not killing monsters

"its stupid and I hate it change it back now...or else"
- I preferred the old system where I could sit at the bank and cast on myself to get to GM

"This new gain system is gay"
- I don't like the new gain system, it was better when I could use UOLoop and watch Jerry Springer

"It's retarded to have to say for example mix gheal's to get f****** gains"
- I preferred it when we could get high level gains by spamming the creation of easy items again and again

"STAFF never on"
- I saw Thassius on several times last week and yet I somehow believe that staff are never on

"I can no longer hunt destard by myself, I now need 3 people, stupid."
- I need to ask some of my friends to come hunting with me, because it's more fun than sitting in a dungeon on my own

One more post like the above and I will ban you from the forums permanently and I do not want to do that. I'm sure you are intelligent and mature enough to present your views more appropriately.

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Thassius wrote:Dude you really, really need to improve your tone on the forums. Have you not learned from your suspension?

Rudeness, swearing and sarcasm are not necessary. They do not improve your message, and you will realise that it actually makes people listen to you LESS.

In fact, I found myself skimming your points in between the below. Let me suggest some alternatives:

"pisses me off"
- I don't like it very much

"it sucks dick"
- I don't like what you've done with Magery, I think becoming a Grandmaster mage should involve casting spells on myself and not killing monsters

"its stupid and I hate it change it back now...or else"
- I preferred the old system where I could sit at the bank and cast on myself to get to GM

"This new gain system is gay"
- I don't like the new gain system, it was better when I could use UOLoop and watch Jerry Springer

"It's retarded to have to say for example mix gheal's to get f****** gains"
- I preferred it when we could get high level gains by spamming the creation of easy items again and again

"STAFF never on"
- I saw Thassius on several times last week and yet I somehow believe that staff are never on

"I can no longer hunt destard by myself, I now need 3 people, stupid."
- I need to ask some of my friends to come hunting with me, because it's more fun than sitting in a dungeon on my own

One more post like the above and I will ban you from the forums permanently and I do not want to do that. I'm sure you are intelligent and mature enough to present your views more appropriately.

I'm actually 16 and I'm retarded, I'm in a special educational classroom that helps me improve my speech, reading, and learning skills. I have a program that helps me type out messages and sometimes it messes up and says some nasty things, I never intend for it to happen. When trying to appologize for the program's errors it always changes what I intend on saying to something even more rude. So thank you for assuming the impossible. I am now mad at you and will never be your friend again.

Now this could have been a program error or just me telling the truth.

Me are not loved...

The difference between spamming on yourself and casting while hunting is that casting on yourself you can gm in 3 days where as the other way it will take you probably 3 months. This is UO ffs noone is going to want to play a game that takes forever to gm a skill because gains are slow and the best ways of training have been disabled. I get the feeling that that is just not getting through somewhere here. Why do you think that programs like UO loop, EasyUO etc where invented. Go to any new shard and what will you see? New players macroing skills and if they come to a shard and try to macro and can't they will leave and find another 1.

Apocalypse wrote: I'm actually 16 and I'm retarded, I'm in a special educational classroom that helps me improve my speech, reading, and learning skills. I have a program that helps me type out messages and sometimes it messes up and says some nasty things, I never intend for it to happen. When trying to appologize for the program's errors it always changes what I intend on saying to something even more rude. So thank you for assuming the impossible. I am now mad at you and will never be your friend again.

Now this could have been a program error or just me telling the truth.

Me are not loved...

You do realise, the sweet irony is that this post was much better. In fact, despite the fact it is thoroughly sarcastic I actually thought it was quite witty

Your tone was far more diplomatic, and you managed to complete your post without a single swear word.

Keep it up

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Was a flaw in the scripting of my program, meant to say something else but all well. My retardation will continue on!

I just got some subs...I'm excited.

belgarion wrote:The difference between spamming on yourself and casting while hunting is that casting on yourself you can gm in 3 days where as the other way it will take you probably 3 months.

Sounds like it accomplished it's goal then.
If you want X U O , go play X U O(word filters......). You can gm that in a day.
I hear they have a bajillion colors and l33t rides too.

If you want to play on a game where you earn your character rather than run a program, and you actually go out and do things rather than sit around and macro up to gm, then play here. That part hasnt' changed since the shard was first designed, even if it has been neglected for a long time.

belgarion wrote:This is UO ffs noone is going to want to play a game that takes forever to gm a skill because gains are slow and the best ways of training have been disabled.

Some people actually prefer a game that requires some effort. Where being gm in a skill actually means something and not "oh cool i can run a program for 38 hours". Yes, some players require instant gratification, and this isn't, and never has been the shard for them. Obsidian has slow gains. Obsidian is a relatively harsh world to get used to. Heck when the newbie protection system went in, people cried bloody murder because it made things too easy.

belgarion wrote:Why do you think that programs like UO loop, EasyUO etc where invented.

Because it was designed wrong. If you design a game in such a way people want to use a program rather than play it, you've done something wrong as a developer. While i can't say i have ways to fix all the problems that make people want to macro, i can fix most of them. Just takes time and work. And i can't undo the fact that nothing was done about these in the past, only make them better for the future. And the ones i can't fix i'm always looking for ideas and suggestions on how it could be accomplished. I can't think of everything on my own.

well im going to get rid of my miner/bs im not going thew all this shit just to make a few gp ill make some other crafter.



No one likes the new gain system I have not heard one person said they liked it. But a buch of people have bitched about it.
The old way worked and people liked it i know i did. If the gain system stays the way it is i will not make a new char. Il just have to log of obs or something. LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE! WE DONT LIKE IT

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while I don't agree with the way Apoc made his points, some of what he said has merit.

gains were good the way they were. True, you could GM from macroing days upon weeks, or you could go out and hunt and learn the game and your character, but it was a CHOICE...one that's now gone.

The risks of macroing were HUGE...loss of skills, large jail sentence or a loss of character and account to name some of the penalties I've seen....the rewards were not quite as large.....true, you end up with a GM mage, but thats meaningless if you don't know what to do with him.

Macroing was mostly done by people returning to the game who already went through the skill build up the long way, and just want to get back to where they were. These people use tons of resources and if they get cought AFK...well, it's their ass...they knew the risks, but wanted the reward.

Limiting options removes players, and everyone looses. This is not just true for this issue, but for quite a bit of issues that have changed in the last year or so.

Just my 2cents. I'll add some more when I get home from work