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 Post subject: Re: Necros Unbalanced
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 7:01 am 

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Chips thank you for your comments but I was talking to 502Dude. He used the word annoying. I was trying to get more information out of that word.


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 Post subject: Re: Necros Unbalanced
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 8:21 am 

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Sparger wrote:Dude, please explain more on the freezing besides just annoying. Are there some spells it is too long? Are there some spells you just won't use now? How has it effected you damage output?

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The delay seems to be the same after all spells. Which is about two seconds or so. Hasn't affected damage and I still use every spell.

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 Post subject: Re: Necros Unbalanced
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 2:49 pm 
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Ya even the healing spells make you freeze which isnt very nice :( But thank you chips you pretty much explained what i ment to say.

But chemikill id like to fight your necro against silk since i have no pvp mage just a pvp necro. I wana see how good you do against me. Also ill post my build i dont mind anymore. Im tired of obsidian being based upon secrets about skills. I wish cybervic would just post a updated skillguide with all secrets. Only thing that should be secrets is how to complete quests. *Not how to start them tho*

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 Post subject: Re: Necros Unbalanced
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 2:55 pm 
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Well here is my build. Was maxed out but dropped forensics when was testing necros and Ive had to sacrifice my healing to compensate for animating dead and pets due to Bobs animal system. Which also affected my necro being able to pk to his potential. But i became a pvm necro and when I pvm i guess bob watchs me and see's im doing very well so he handicaps me to make it so i cant pvm.

anyways heres my build for those interested.
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 Post subject: Re: Necros Unbalanced
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 4:42 pm 
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Umm, no.
I didn't handicap because you were doing well. You were doing retarded.


If what you do is called PvMing then someone setting a potion trap at bloody mary is called PvPing.
No Skill.
No Effort.
No Risk.


It takes exactly 0 work to use the following formula.
Cast on npc at maximum effective range, run 2 screens away forcing the AI to reset and enacting the target aquisition delay, run back, repeat ad nausem.
It's abuse of the stupidity of the AI, plain and simple.

And rather than waste time coding an extensive fix to it(since only a few people use them currently and anytime i don't prioritize my scripting usage according to what is percieved as being used by the most people, people bitch), i'd rather just make it useless to your stupid tactic, force you to come up with new ways to hunt, and move on to other more important things and come back to necromancers later when i have less to do.

Unsuprisingly enough, first thing you did was bitch like mad how it "ruined necromancy" rather than actually ATTEMPT to kill monsters like everyone else in the shard does, i.e. actually fighting them and having to use skill.

Now that being said,
<kid gloves>

I have watched you hunt, and I have noticed a few areas you are not utilizing your build to it's maximum efficiency. For one thing you are burning a LOT into magery, which hurts your survivability to a very extreme degree. That in and of itself is not a bad thing, but you are not using all the benefits magery provides to offset it. Utilize your magery more, since you've spent points on it, and you might notice your survivability going up.


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 Post subject: Re: Necros Unbalanced
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 4:57 pm 
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I am confused bob... Usualy i didnt use magery due to 50% fizzle rate on all decent spells cause of my necromancery... Ya theres nice combos you can do but its not even worth it? You also wrote this, which is a reason i didnt use magery. But yes i did blow 80 skillpoints on it even tho its not real useful to me i dont see why it would be since necromancery has pretty much all the useful spells magery has to offer. Besides FS/Whip Combo.
GMBob wrote:Don't blow 80 skill points on it?
No one is forcing you to take magery, and in fact it's actively discouraged. It's part of the balance of the necromancy spellset, due to some particularly devestating combinations of the two that can be used.
So yeah, it's not ideal from a player standpoint, because everyone wants to have everything, but it's not something new. the 50% penalty to all spells over circle 4 has always been a part of necromancy.
P.S. It does take skill to do what i do when I pvm... Specialy since i have to dodge almost every monster due to me dieing in 2 hits.

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