Why are we still discussing this issue? It won't happen regardless of how much you want it Count.

lol, funny kraken, ur leaving ppl like Spawn Hemo Bane todd and others who aren't saying anything but shit.. and blaming adam for just saying "dipshit"?!

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maher wrote:lol, funny kraken, ur leaving ppl like Spawn Hemo Bane todd and others who aren't saying anything but shit.. and blaming adam for just saying "dipshit"?!

don't worry about it.. it don't bother me.. i do appreciate it all the same tho..

maher wrote:lol, funny kraken, ur leaving ppl like Spawn Hemo Bane todd and others who aren't saying anything but shit.. and blaming adam for just saying "dipshit"?!

None of those people have even posted in this thread except Spawn, and I don't see him insulting or calling names. Also, I do not moderate all sections.

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nosympathy wrote:Why are we still discussing this issue? It won't happen regardless of how much you want it Count.

Because people like you, Wes and Dedo come on here making suggestions when you hardly even play let alone do any pvp.

Adam is right, This shard is a lot of work for just Bob to balance. However if everyone is on common ground i think it will be much easier for him. Also this is just a good idea. The result of this would be more diversity in builds which is needed and would be more fun. This proposed class system would attract other players as no other shard has a system like this.

I dont know if its change you guys are afraid of but its change that we need. This shard has changed in every other way. This is the next step because as Adam said, this shard isnt what it was and it never will be.

Everyone is so quick to turn down this idea but there has been no discussion of what the race skills would be. I am a tank, I like how humans are but its unrealistic to keep them and have a balanced system anytime soon.

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nerdslayer wrote:

nosympathy wrote:Why are we still discussing this issue? It won't happen regardless of how much you want it Count.

Because people like you, Wes and Dedo come on here making suggestions when you hardly even play let alone do any pvp.

Adam is right,

u do realize adam doesnt pvp either?

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If anything I currently play a lot more than you do, as far as PvP your are right, that I do not partake in.

Whatever you guys want. If Bob agrees with this topic and he believes he can manage it and it seems reasonable to him then by all means, let it happen. I won't be happy with the change at first, but it will be something I will have to just adjust to I guess.

Remember, if the change happens the people who agreed with this better not start bitching again

well currently, more then double the people said no... so doubt it would happen anyway + i doubt bob would change that either way it goes lol (and im glad)

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actually i do pvp and i play alot more than you do dw so i dont know what your talking about. infact i can safely say that i have pvped more than you in the last month than you have been logged on.

just because im not a sky is falling chicken little like you and adam doesnt mean my points are not valid since its easier to fix the caps on classes than it is to rework a race.

Your right i havent pvped recently and for good reason, It is shit. Everyone that there is to fight has quit because it is shit. Pvp hasnt changed since my break and by the sounds of it, it probly wont.

You all say its balanced or near balance but its not. All a warrior has to do is disarm their wep and run in a f***** circle dodging p pots. Have fun with that shit, you and the other 4 people that stay.

I guess this isnt very contributing to the thread, just stating another thing bob fixed that wasnt broken.

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Listen I understand your concerns and opinions, but attacking other people and their opinions isn't going to help your, or Count's, suggestion to be promoted or understood.

I will agree that although I have not PvP a lot since I played back in 06 when I had Mammoth, I will say that PvP is not up to the standards we would have hoped. It doesn't take someone to go out and PvP to see that it is not measuring up to the standards PvPers had for a long time.

However, saying that 'its shit' doesn't get it to change or be heard any better.

You want this changed to what Count has suggested, but how long until you find something wrong with it and start moaning and groaning for Bob to fix it and change it back? Maybe it won't happen, but how current changes have gone so far in t4a it isn't something I would not expect to happen.

The earliest example that has arisen to prove my point is RA. Most of you (including you DW) voiced your concerns about RA, Bob considered them & in return he lowered the ability of RA. Now a new thread has been made about RA being too weak & needs to be changed back.

Before jumping the gun and saying it will work in this aspect, make sure it works ALL over.

I dont know bout you guys but Adam's suggestion seems way much better everytime I log in and see the same old shiit. Make everything a Race balance the classes and change how we pvp get rid of POISON period except for poisoning weapons then it will look much better and For your information Count has logged on a bunch of hours since hes been back he has pvped .. but really how can he pvp with 7, 5, 4 people on? who most of time are PVMs hunting and dont pvp at all.

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I just don't like the idea of being forced to choose a race and a class and be forced to abide by its rules.

Why should I be forced to choose a race and then pick war-mage and be docked healing?

This is the idea that Count is going for and it is the problem that I have with this whole suggestion.

I don't want to play a game where I am forced to do something I don't want to do.

And as most of the people have expressed here, they don't want the change either.

nosympathy wrote:I just don't like the idea of being forced to choose a race and a class and be forced to abide by its rules.

Why should I be forced to choose a race and then pick war-mage and be docked healing?

This is the idea that Count is going for and it is the problem that I have with this whole suggestion.

I don't want to play a game where I am forced to do something I don't want to do.

And as most of the people have expressed here, they don't want the change either.

balance classes meaning you wont be docked healing and maybe a no class option for all races ...for people who just want to go classless..then maybe add bonuses to each class like a war mage can have whatever new types of benefits, rangers can wear these new armors or run and shoot for example, etc etc..

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I still don't feel like I need to be forced to pick a class and be stuck with a damn penalty. As much as you think Bob will balance it out you will still have penalties. I am not gonna stick by this after (for the first time since I joined this game) I have stuck to my characters builds and not deleted them and be forced this decision. I am not gonna go change Scrappy to a race and have a penalty loom over here (and yes, a penalty will be implemented to balance classes/races out).

I also found one of your comments rather contradicting: "maybe a no class option for all races"

Last time I checked that statement is the equivalence of being, idk, human?