Apocalypse wrote: training meditation is pretty gay when theres no battles going on

You know you could also take the time to gather up some regs for weak spells, caste them, and set up a macro and run it to train your meditation in your spare time when you really aren't doing anything or the player base is lower than you would like. Just because you can't PvP doesn't mean the skill wont gain any other way.

Of course, the only other alternative I see of training your meditation on Apocalypse is making him a Necromancer and training it that way, but then you lose your Magery and Healing, which is a downside

Again, there are plenty of ways to train a skill than just the method of PvP.

on that note, did hard caps go in yet? lol

this so relates to the topic... because...........
afkers.... um... have caps and stuff...

which they go towards when they afk macro! yup! thats why!

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I was replying to what bob said about training med by urself and training it in combat. I was implying that it is not the same right now becuz of the low playerbase, it's faster to "gather regs" and train by urself. And in my spare time I pvp, I don't sit here and try to train a skill for hours hitting the same button over and over, that isn't fun to me, it's pretty much the opposite.

Last time I checked people play games to have fun, not be bored out of their minds.

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GMBob wrote:Realistically, if you used med in combat while using magery, you'd hit gm on both roughly the same time.

So the "there's no way to gain it" is rather poppycock.

Not when there is a low playerbase, get more people to play and I bet less people will afk skills when they could choose to go out and kill a shitton of players. As of right now your lucky to find one person out of town. Right now training meditation is pretty gay when theres no battles going on, so I don't even worry about med anymore, I just accepted the fact that it will reach 100 whenever it does, which sucks..

So let me get this straight, your argument is that people will take their non gm characters out to PVP, knowing they'll be at a distinct disadvantage, and this will somehow help people not afk macro?

It's more likely that those people are precisely the people afk macroing in the first place, as the PvE people are the ones off killing monsters and hunting before they're gm, so they gm both the same time, which is what i was talking about in the first place.

GMBob wrote:]

So let me get this straight, your argument is that people will take their non gm characters out to PVP, knowing they'll be at a distinct disadvantage, and this will somehow help people not afk macro?

sorry to say bob, but i think spawn is actually right for once...

EG. i am not gm med on ryoko yet... why? because i don't train med, i just go out and use it actually playing...
I know just training it would give me a distinct advantage vrs other players... or well atleast put me on even grounds as other players... but theres no fun in that... same with sub zero, he only trained the skills nessicary for me to start being competitive in the pvp world.. then i just pvped my way up to GM everything...
i think i gmed swords and healing and tactics (through grave yard) got to 65 magery hunting and started pvping..
the system i thought was supposed to be catered to the people who actually use there player... can't use there player if theres no one to use there player against... thus spawn is correct in most players cases....
there all those people who play just to win in pvp, and it being easy as possible when they do win... but usually hold no skill at the end.. just a beefed up character... aka black magic.. those players do end up getting rich very quickly, but end up sucking the next pvp era when they don't have there perfect build..

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you guys are on crack...i trained both magery and med...magery took 2 months and med took like 4 or 5...i just went out and hunted all the time and my med was at 90 when i gmed magery soo this is all bad arguments..ppl are just mad they cant banksit and gm all skills...i do agree there are some that prolly should be made easeir to gm..like animal lore, eval int, etc. med is not that hard anymore.

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good for you falin, but your not a pvper...

and you missed the point of apoc posting that...

he never said make the skills easier to gain.. the arguement was the player base is low, so people who would normally train there characters by actually pvping (like me and apparently him) and actually using there characters can't, so they revert to macroing which is by no means fun, thus they start going afk...

in your case falin, it's fine because your a PVM and monsters are never in a shortage.. lol PKs are though, so it makes it easier for you to do that...


long story short-
If theres pvpers on a shard, there not gonna be happy or even play properly if they can't PvP..
so they move to macroing in hopes there will be more people in the future, and there character would be ready, to go by then, but macroing sucks for gains.. thus they go afk.. and threads like this happen..

there are people who are pretty dedicated to the shard, and there waiting so they can actually play with other people at the moment, as we wait longer and longer for people to be able to join, more and more people become frustrated and leave..become inactive like me or just goof around a little macro skills and continue to wait... because if you stay on thats all there is to do atm

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Second this

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I agree with Spawn on this about the PvP aspect of training. Gotta use em' to train em' properly.

The opposite kind of applies to PvM where you can actually hunt with them to train (no need to hunt players).

med has always been harder to train..there is no way to 2 are only trying to train by pvp only..that would take forever x10 to train even if there was a ton o pvpers on. like bob said..you would be training against more ppl and more groups of ppl that would own you all the time ..then you lose your stuff then youare put back even more time to rez regroup...i cant see pvp ever being a viable way to train. you would have to try to hunt or sit at bank with someone that was a friend, but with higher player base= more ppl that would g you on sight(to all you g pricks out there).

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falin, maybe you think that way because you never pvped in such a fashion...
you do lose money sometimes, you don't lose all your fights just because a skill is not Gm'd....
not like you get hit for double if u dont have 100 med... its just way harder to manage your mana...
I think not going out and dieing and testing the waters is how most players who suck at pvp stay sucky at pvp...

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Falin, explain to me how going into a dungeon with my "PVP" (Player Vs Player) char and killing monsters with skills I do not have nor want, will help me gain meditation? I hunt with my "PVM" char.

I banksit because macroing is not something I enjoy, when there's a fight I usually go out there and attend the fight. Standing on the bridge casting spells, running out and fighting, etc. That is fun to me and is really the only reason I play this game. You have your med gains from hunting with ur pvm char, not from fighting.

well you go find somewhere like a shrine and draw of enough elementals to make it challenging. there are alot o ways to train pvm to simulate pvp to extent when your weak, and i know you dont have to be gm but you have to be decent in a decent amount of skills or you would get owned..and i gmed magery well before i took any pvm skills...i sat outside fire shrine and used walls and wheatever i could then backed off when my weak ass mana ran out till i could med up you gain med gains pretty fast out there fighting monsters....im just saying there is a certain point you need to get to to be even slightly effective as pvper. and that can be trained elsewhere pretty well.

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Falin wrote:med has always been harder to train..there is no way to 2 are only trying to train by pvp only..that would take forever x10 to train even if there was a ton o pvpers on. like bob said..you would be training against more ppl and more groups of ppl that would own you all the time ..then you lose your stuff then youare put back even more time to rez regroup...i cant see pvp ever being a viable way to train. you would have to try to hunt or sit at bank with someone that was a friend, but with higher player base= more ppl that would g you on sight(to all you g pricks out there).

When i started playing again it was in the beta, i had only gm swords. I like to think i was one of the better pvpers if not the best and i had only 71 magery when i started. Im now 5x gm from gains through pvp when there was a larger player base (I polied sometimes and did a little pvm).

I definately agree that skills such as animal lore and shit need to be either eased up, Gain passively with their corresponding skill (as anatomy does) or be trainable legally while afk if not used in a profitable manner.

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i think u should be alowed to manipulate npcs in order to train.. like be able to let them cast on you without getting to you (if u can somehow find a way to do so)

to me this is just using the game for what is is.. and not abuse...

as long as not done afk i dont see what the problem is with this