um a few questions arise from this post,
can you please give us a list of what is and isn't considered afk macroing,
Um i know this sounds like a STUPID question, but I've heard of gaffer's situation, and I don't really want to be stuck in that situation which seemed HIGHLY unfair to me.

1) How is it decided on which skills should be dropped

2) is sitting there as a red afk qualified as afk macroing? (gaffer's situation)
note- this is the really unfair, it's like saying people who are red automatically cant go afk at any time what so ever :/. and what skills would be dropped in this situation?

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So if your red and you sit there afk not macroing anything you get shit dropped? That's f****** gay...

from what i heard ya spawn. and thats what i thought lol

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Ye that is kind of stupidperhas there should be some kind of timeline like if you just go for a piss and come back you are obviously not decaying kills.

I'm talking about repeat offenders here, not simply people who get caught once or even twice.

If I catch you afking kills it'll probably be an increase in kills. If I catch you 10 times then well - we'll go from there. As for the whole gaffer story - I caught him afk macroing anatomy about 5 times and on the last 3 times gave him increasing skill drops. When I came back the next time he had gmed anatomy and was afking stealth. So I dropped both skills to 0. Extreme, yes, but crucial in teaching gaffer that afk macroing isn't something the shard will tolerate. Suffice to say: Gaffer gmed his anatomy since then and did so without being afk.

I just want people to be aware that there are more serious penalties if they continue to take advantage of staff's good will towards them.


Edit: As for the decaying kills thing. I won't go into how I determine whether someone is decaying kills or not because if I do there will always be someone who will want to try and cheat the system and that'll ruin it for the rest of you. If you're not macroing skills and you go afk for a few moments I really don't mind - it's when I know you're decaying kills and you get busted and you bitch about it.

well ur right on this Echo,
but u caught hemo training healing in a bug place and dropped his skills to 0, im the one who showed him that place and i wasnt know that it was a bug place same as hemo he didnt know too.
u didn't warn him and if there alot of bugs why not to fix why not to warn?
and if i did know about it was a bug id post it but i used to gm my healing by useing it on another shard (Kingdom Of Fire).

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maher wrote:well ur right on this Echo,
but u caught hemo training healing in a bug place and dropped his skills to 0, im the one who showed him that place and i wasnt know that it was a bug place same as hemo he didnt know too.
u didn't warn him and if there alot of bugs why not to fix why not to warn?
and if i did know about it was a bug id post it but i used to gm my healing by useing it on another shard (Kingdom Of Fire).

Yes I dropped his healing from around 70 odd to 0. It wasn't just because of Hemo abusing the playhouse to gain healing but also because of his smug attitude. However I calmed down later and popped the healing up to 60.

As for gming your healing on a different shard - fine. Obsidian isn't that shard and we have rules. Currently we're in BETA testing and you should be reporting anything that seems to be a bug or that was/is different than it was in T3A.

I kind of figured that there was another side to the story that is why i kept my comment vague without looking like i was pointing any fingers. If they were repeat offenders then they deserved what they got.

ya hehe i heard a completely different story and thats why i was worried.

and theres no other way to get ur kills down besides afk, realistically, it will take months to drop for 10 to 4 on a regular players schedule.. but i guess this was discussed amongst staff already, but bob said b4, in order of importance for things to be changed are- bbs word, then balance, then players....
seeing as bb didnt comment (to my knowledge), and it doesn't balance shat (unless you call crafters being red balanced), and I haven't ran across a soul who likes it with extreme timers like it is now.. so change it back to when ppl actually enjoyed the kill system PLEASE
and i dont think this is off subject seeing aspeople afk macro kills (which is ridiculous when the people macroing are the people with 6-7 kills) which i thought was the original problem

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I agree 110% with sub, no one likes the new kill system, and who stays on that long and decays kills without afking them? No one, they attempt to afk and either fail or win, so really this new system all it does is makes players afk kills unlike the old system. Most of us have shit to do with our lives, others who can stay on 23 hours a day.....that's another story.

And as for hemo's shit being dropped like that...sounded a bit harsh to me.

Apocalypse wrote:I agree 110% with sub, no one likes the new kill system, and who stays on that long and decays kills without afking them? No one, they attempt to afk and either fail or win, so really this new system all it does is makes players afk kills unlike the old system. Most of us have s*** to do with our lives, others who can stay on 23 hours a day.....that's another story.

And as for hemo's s*** being dropped like that...sounded a bit harsh to me.

If you want to kill people then you can put up with being red - it's not really hard to understand. The old system meant that players would kill a person a day and still stay blue - which is utter bullshit.

As it stands, you shouldn't gain a kill for killing anyone with karma that puts their character into the grey/red zone and/or killing order/chaos when you're order/chaos.

Saying no-one likes the new kill system is just showing that you have a narrow mind on the issue. There are only a couple of players complaining mainly because they want to go around killing more and staying blue. The people who are getting killed aren't complaining at all. So no not everyone hates the new kill system.

All the new system is doing is trying to set it so that players who go around killing turn red, and players who don't kill others stay blue. Makes perfect sense to me.

As for the hemo thing sounding a bit harsh - it was. In the end his healing was dropped from 70.0 to 60.0. He was quite aware that what he was doing was wrong and tried to lie to claim otherwise. This is the kind of behaviour I HATE from players when I am simply around to smooth things along and stop people cheating the system. If people want to lie and cheat they shouldn't expect me to be nice when handing down a sentence to them.

I think if you didn't get kills for killing players of guilds that your guild has declared war on the kill system wouldn't be that bad. Then you could pvp without being a pker basically. And it would also get a lot more guild pvp happening.

i wanna know how the kill system works cus in Yashiro i have 1 kill and i neva kill anyone or TRY TO with that char and BUMB ! 1 kill to my count WTF !!

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belgarion wrote:I think if you didn't get kills for killing players of guilds that your guild has declared war on the kill system wouldn't be that bad. Then you could pvp without being a pker basically. And it would also get a lot more guild pvp happening.

Sounds like a good idea!

ok i can understand 1 k not being decayed a day, but at this rate it will take months for ppl to get back blue with regular schedules as i said...

and it still isn't fair seeing most people get kills by playing around and them dieing later!
and greys and reds get kills for killing people who attack them!people who kill opposite guilds get kills

giving all that, there were people complaining b4 for the old system? no? now? yes? O ok echo.... no one complained the old system, now the pvpers complain this system,, of course the diers(ehehe diers) never complained about that specifically so what are you proving by saying that they don't complain now.....

as i said listen to the people did anyone give you probs on the great worked the bugged and unforgiving system.

atleast make it so u can afk.. jeeze its way to extreme! maybe find the average PvP player time then make it so the average person has to wait 2 days for a kill to decay. or make the timer count while we log off... or make it so we can lesser the timer by doing a task or something

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