I don't see how I'm blind from the truth.... Please explain

He'll get back to you on that one after he catches the next Rush Limbaugh show.

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Wizard_of_Gore wrote:

I don't see how I'm blind from the truth.... Please explain

He'll get back to you on that one after he catches the next Rush Limbaugh show.

I really do feel sorry for you about all that really I do

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Lol Primal you do know that the verses you stated are just sentences if you mind could you please state the whole passage and then you shall see the reason behind it which is for beating your wife if she is unfaithful to you and does not obey you also I have a few verses from the bible for you interesting...

1 Samuel 15:2-4
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.

Numbers 31:17-18 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

Wow primal islam is so cruel so beating and punishing women but the verse I stated above is... This is not against anyone here or directed at any particular group but just to say that every religion has its own different ways of punishment and the punishments that are in Islam are overexagerated(sp) so if you do your homework well like I said you will find that islam is a very peaceful religion and not what the media makes it out to be. Also there is mention in the bible of pedophiles in which it is said that if you have intercourse with a kid then you have to pay a certain sum to their family and then you can or must marry the one you had intercourse with which in my view is just plain wrong dunno what you think about it though primal and everyone else thx for the positive feedback so far lets keep it this way

First of all, I would like to make known the fact that I have limited knowledge of both the Christian and Muslim religions. I have chosen not to read either the Bible or the Quran in full because the idea of looking to a deity/higher-power that may or may not actually be there has never appealed to me. That being said, the civilized (non-attacking/abusive) way that verses and passages have been used in this discussion have really intrigued me, but, in my mind, there is no right or wrong and good or bad here.

Every religion seems to have, in one form or another, very peaceful intentions. They give guidance on how to be a better person, how to raise a family, among other things, in accordance to the society which they are in. Simply put, religions seem peaceful on paper, but when put into action, something gets lost in the fray, so to speak. Regardless of religion, there are always zealots that push their scriptures to the absolute extremes, all in the name of God/Allah/et al. We hear all about the Holy Wars, the Crusades, the "pre-emptive strikes", so we know that religions have the ability for copious amounts of violence, but, nonetheless, everyone says their side is still right, regardless how atrocious the acts! I guess that can be blamed on the media… The reason Americans don’t hear much about Christian extremists is because, yes, Christianity is the majority religion here, and by broadcasting that which would give the religion a bad name has been deemed unacceptable, unless those depicted are first excommunicated by the majority (soldier funeral protestors). By broadcasting that there is a religion at war with Christianity and showing images of their evil doings thereby instigates the viewing populous to nuzzle closer to their familiar religion for comfort, strengthening convictions and needs to fight back.

Now, if anyone were to say that the Muslim religion was not doing the exact same propaganda moves through their own media, I would have some trouble not calling them an outright liar. We depict their followers as Muslim Extremists and terrorists, and I’m sure they depict Christian followers as equal Extremists, as well as invaders and infidels. I guess my point is that, in some way or another, most religions seem twisted and inhumane to those who are not within it because it’s the actions of zealots that draw the attention of the world where everyone can take a text that is meant to be interpreted by the individual and do just that, only finding the worst in every verse.

Sorry about the long post… I’ve been following this discussion for the past few days and finally got my account working…

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yet the other (im not catholic anyway) the pope said something about islamic belives and they fliped out and burnt down 4 churches raped one nun and killed 2 others, the christians have been persicuted,talk trash about, being used as human tourches to light up the streets and collociums of rome, killed for being christians, ect, ect, yet we never really got pissed off and started burning down muslim worship places (no clue what they are called, sorry) nor did we rape the mulslim/islamic women

when muslims get mad they turn to the koran and kill
when christians get mad they turn to the bible and prey

sorry if this post offended anyone, not trying to flame anyones religion for hell, i dont know whoes right and who wrong, i just belive what i belive in

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Von_Ogre wrote:First of all, I would like to make known the fact that I have limited knowledge of both the Christian and Muslim religions. I have chosen not to read either the Bible or the Quran in full because the idea of looking to a deity/higher-power that may or may not actually be there has never appealed to me. That being said, the civilized (non-attacking/abusive) way that verses and passages have been used in this discussion have really intrigued me, but, in my mind, there is no right or wrong and good or bad here.

Every religion seems to have, in one form or another, very peaceful intentions. They give guidance on how to be a better person, how to raise a family, among other things, in accordance to the society which they are in. Simply put, religions seem peaceful on paper, but when put into action, something gets lost in the fray, so to speak. Regardless of religion, there are always zealots that push their scriptures to the absolute extremes, all in the name of God/Allah/et al. We hear all about the Holy Wars, the Crusades, the "pre-emptive strikes", so we know that religions have the ability for copious amounts of violence, but, nonetheless, everyone says their side is still right, regardless how atrocious the acts! I guess that can be blamed on the media… The reason Americans don’t hear much about Christian extremists is because, yes, Christianity is the majority religion here, and by broadcasting that which would give the religion a bad name has been deemed unacceptable, unless those depicted are first excommunicated by the majority (soldier funeral protestors). By broadcasting that there is a religion at war with Christianity and showing images of their evil doings thereby instigates the viewing populous to nuzzle closer to their familiar religion for comfort, strengthening convictions and needs to fight back.

Now, if anyone were to say that the Muslim religion was not doing the exact same propaganda moves through their own media, I would have some trouble not calling them an outright liar. We depict their followers as Muslim Extremists and terrorists, and I’m sure they depict Christian followers as equal Extremists, as well as invaders and infidels. I guess my point is that, in some way or another, most religions seem twisted and inhumane to those who are not within it because it’s the actions of zealots that draw the attention of the world where everyone can take a text that is meant to be interpreted by the individual and do just that, only finding the worst in every verse.

Sorry about the long post… I’ve been following this discussion for the past few days and finally got my account working…

damn sir if I woulda known your first post was gonna be a novel I woulda stop bugging you to make an account.

Flame Im glad you stand by your beliefs, it makes me respect you more for what you said

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mediumz wrote:Lol Primal you do know that the verses you stated are just sentences if you mind could you please state the whole passage and then you shall see the reason behind it which is for beating your wife if she is unfaithful to you and does not obey you also I have a few verses from the bible for you interesting...

1 Samuel 15:2-4
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.

Numbers 31:17-18 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

Wow primal islam is so cruel so beating and punishing women but the verse I stated above is... This is not against anyone here or directed at any particular group but just to say that every religion has its own different ways of punishment and the punishments that are in Islam are overexagerated(sp) so if you do your homework well like I said you will find that islam is a very peaceful religion and not what the media makes it out to be. Also there is mention in the bible of pedophiles in which it is said that if you have intercourse with a kid then you have to pay a certain sum to their family and then you can or must marry the one you had intercourse with which in my view is just plain wrong dunno what you think about it though primal and everyone else thx for the positive feedback so far lets keep it this way

damn im lucky that im an atheist....

EDIT: i'd never think of using reiligion as a point of attack...isnt that strange??? '' I will kill you because my GOD (enter the name of God do you believe in) wants that''? The thing is that the religion was/is/will be using to hide the real matter of attack some1 or something....
You cannot say that Allach/God is bad or making some1 so angry to kill another person, in my opinion the real threat are the fanatics, every religion have their own fanatics and they are the worst part of it...

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*this is not controversial, but should be taken as my own opinion - my comments are largely neutral anyway*

I think the most important thing to understand from all this is that 'good' and 'evil' are often associated with religious beliefs, but in reality they are inherently a part of human nature.

There are those that are religious and are good, those that are religious and evil - and both may seek to find justification in their polar mindset within their religion. This does not make the religion good or evil; the religion may simply act as a catalyst for the polar behaviour. Few religious people are truly neutral in the way they interpret their chosen religious text(s).

On the other hand, there are those that are good or evil but are not religious at all. These people follow the path that they choose without the need to use religion to defend, facilitate or trigger their actions. Again, this supports the notion that human nature is the deciding factor in all of this.

Thus, I put it to you. There is no 'good' or 'evil' religion OR religious text that has been discussed on this thread. There are only good or evil people.

It is perhaps more interesting to consider that these texts were not written by one person; we have a cross between an anthology and chinese whispers. Of course the word of the 'god' or 'prophet' may be true, I certainly would not dispute that to a religious person. The issue lies, however, with the transcriber... the link between the modern religious follower and the leader of their chosen religion.

Is it so wrong to surmise that the same polar differences in beliefs and behaviour that we see in people today may extend to the people that created these texts?

I hope that this gives some of you food for thought.

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lol all of this is deep chit ,
lets go deeper

..im not trying to defend islam, but....when has been that written? HUNDRED YEARS AGO....SORY PRIMAL BUT PEOPLE HAVE CHANGED SINCE 8 CENTURY....AND WHATS IN BIBLE? SAME THINGS! DONT LOOK FOR A HOLE IN ALL,
i think that von ogre and thas have written very smart things, and explain everything...dont come to it over and over posting crap like islam is bad blah blah..the religion is made for ppl not ppl for the religion...

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Thorfin wrote:..im not trying to defend islam, but....when has been that written? HUNDRED YEARS AGO....SORY PRIMAL BUT PEOPLE HAS CHANGED SINCE 8 CENTURY....AND WHATS IN BIBLE? SAME THINGS! DONT LOOK FOR A HOLE IN ALL,
i think that von ogre and thas have written very smart things, and explain everything...dont come to it over and over posting crap like islam is bad blah blah..the religion is made for ppl not ppl for the religion...

TY very much!

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so what your saying is....we dont control these people yet.....so lets go get em?

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Wow, Lestat when did you become religious? I think last time we talked, few years ago, you didnt want anyone to know you were brown let alone muslim. Nice to see you're finally embraced your culture/religion. /golfclap

Btw, Happy Ramadan!!!

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aye no one said islam is bad, nor did we say they where wrong, we are just trying to add to the convo and state our opinions, some more than others, sorry if i offended anyone and yeah.....

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