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Author:  ducksternator [ Thu May 12, 2005 1:43 am ]
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So Saddam can't hide these weapons you say. Oh well I bet the UN must have gone and checked all of Iraq then. Because it ISN'T at all possible that saddam hid them in the desert or in a place that wasn't checked by the UN. Use your brain here - just because some internet site says there were no weapons doesn't mean there isn't.

Most of the internet sites and books you're reading from aren't even reputable sources. They're published by people whose only way to ever get a message accross is pay someone to write bullshit on some topic they don't even know about. Just because you read these sites only proves that you're capable of typing a basic word search on google.
I've family members and close friends who have spent a lot of time and energy on the whole Iraq war, and for you to just come out and say it was all bullshit really offends me. Be a little more open to what other people have to say - you're not the authority on this matter. Probably none of us are.

Don't give me a lecture about how uninformed I am when you're just rambling. I'm likely to head on over to Iraq at a later stage after finishing my degree (environmental management) and actually look at the sites of nuclear testing and other effects caused by the weapons of mass destruction. Get your information from a real source - not some site produced by some random person.

Also there's no need to simply disregard what I am saying because it does not match with what you are implying in any shape or form.

"it is also clear Duck has no clue what his Aussie ass is talking about"

I've kept it clean and will continue to do so. Don't patronise because you've got a big head.
Author:  thomaska [ Thu May 12, 2005 1:56 am ]
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Ducksternator wrote:So Saddam can't hide these weapons you say. Oh well I bet the UN must have gone and checked all of Iraq then. Because it ISN'T at all possible that saddam hid them in the desert or in a place that wasn't checked by the UN. Use your brain here - just because some internet site says there were no weapons doesn't mean there isn't.
This time i don't agree with you Duck. I think there's general concensus that Saddam did not have any weapons of mass destruction on the time of the invasion. Everyone knows that he had chemical weapons at the time before the war with Kuwait, but after that, it has not been proved that Saddam had any weapons of mass destruction.
Frankly, I think that if the american invasion force had found any such weapons at all, they would had let the whole world know. :roll:
Author:  Rippa [ Thu May 12, 2005 4:34 am ]
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Exactly they went in to save people in need.... but forgot about the Sudan that
was having a genocide for decades but no one cares until now since There is a whole new concept on saving people in need...... It's actually important now to save people but really Saddam would of seem like a god to a person living in the Sudan or a regular slave in africa....
Author:  shadow_tamer [ Thu May 12, 2005 5:08 am ]
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But.... They could be hiding.... Look at all the shit the american Government already hides from its public about global issues and shit, and all of its top secret areas and who knows what kind of shit they have hidden in those areas that the public doesen't know about....
Author:  NatureWarrior [ Thu May 12, 2005 5:19 pm ]
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Website? Books? God damn Duck, it's general knowledge lmao.
Dude please, dont ever talk politics to me. You make me think of the little one in the group who still belives the house over the hill is haunted while the big brothers laugh at him. Yes Duck I am laughing at you. Noone has searched Irak more that Bush did after he's taken over the majority of the country. Bush who promised and assured the people that Saddam did have weapons of mass destruction and had to be stopped at all costs. And trust me, he did search the country like a crazy girlfriend but he dint find scratch. Besides going for weapons of mass destruction in Irak is just going for the oil but in other terms. Yes Irak did have chemical weapons in the past. He did test nuclear weapons but at the time of the invasion and probably a few years before that he did not have any weapons of that sort. I truly don't care what you think anymore Duck as you are starting to get on my nerves on this subject. Impe has reason to defend his country but your going against general knowledge and common sense with no proof but *My family said so* :lol: .

Im sorry if I hurt your feelings but you are seriously being ridicoulous. I don't want to continue on this subject in puplic and if you have comments to add about what you believe is true, pls do so via PM to respect general readers. I'd be glad to continue arguing with you via PM.

-Necro-
Author:  NatureWarrior [ Thu May 12, 2005 5:25 pm ]
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shadow_tamer wrote:But.... They could be hiding.... Look at all the shit the american Government already hides from its public about global issues and shit, and all of its top secret areas and who knows what kind of shit they have hidden in those areas that the public doesen't know about....
Of course research was being done to improve military equipment. Both guns and planes, tanks, etc.. are beingupgraded and improved. Some secret technologies the people don't even know about simply because the government dosn't want other countries to know about some specific discoveries. But these discoveries regard warfare mostly anyways. So I do understand they have stuff to hide from the world even though I am agaisnt even the production of the smallest guns. A tool with purpose to kill another human being should not be produced by ANYONE what so ever. Same goes for tools with purpose of killing thousands or hundreds of thousands of human beings.
Author:  LegendaryProdigy [ Thu May 12, 2005 8:33 pm ]
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ahh.. looks like im gonna have to get started on this.. bush and the whole of america are a bunch of liers, for example recently bush declines the passing of a bill that says america cannot torture people... Hmmmm i wonder why.. ???? maybe becasue america is full of torture and many other things hidden from the american public, therefore how can you trust this man when he says there is no weapons of mass destrcution when he got bin ladens family out of iraq, why couldnt he of got the weapons out?
Woot i agree with duck actually.. and necro nothing personal but if your going to carry on a good conversation spell IRAQ right :)

da da da dats all folks
Author:  Rippa [ Thu May 12, 2005 11:05 pm ]
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Prisons are torture in america!!! But don't worry Necro Robots will be fighting for America very soon :) we won't lose as many humans now GO AMERICA!!!
8)
Author:  Subcity [ Sun May 15, 2005 10:27 pm ]
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Politics eh?? My cup of tea! First off, Naturewarrior, Duck has rights to his opinions and half of what he says is not false at all. Like he mentioned it's a Matter of your sources and what all our developing minds soak in or sound better to us, Politics is a game of persuasion and your environment could directly effect your beliefs on matters. I will say That you can't bullshit a bullshitter, Saddam having weapons of mass destruction isn't all that crazy coming from a man we have known to be a genocidal maniac. To think you could believe a thing the U.N. says, thats laughable, In all truth they never did dislose the full report on Iraq not having those weapons, but we shouldn't have to wait 23 recorded investigations to find them as well, what would be so hard for Saddam to smuggle weapons to say Syria or anywhere else with his interest? and Iraq is a lot of land to cover above AND below ground. Even if there isn't any of these weapons per se, was Saddam so benevolent that you miss him in office? His people don't seem to think so. Infact they can actually hold a rally against whatever they want now without being shot in the back of the head with russian weaponry. And as far as Bush in concerned, Does he have his own agenda? Of course, every president has, every World Leader has. Is he in there for oil? Most likely, after all the worlds entire industrial sect runs on it, from cars, trade boats, machinery big and small, it's something society thrives on. "well hydro-electric is more efficient and would cut the use of oil" This is true and America, at this moment and time could totally shift to it, why we don't? because almost every other nation in the world is 5-10 years behind us in technology. In other words the hydro-electric market is too new for the rest of the world, our compatibility to function with other nations would be nearly impossible. It would take billions upon billions of dollars to adapt the whole world into it which we don't have even America being the most generous country in the world, 60% of U.N. funds are from america, 80% of NATO troops are americans We take care of the world better than we take care of our own people with charities, and government funds and loans and yet the world acts like there is something we owe them. Government, is natural, democracy is not, it has to be achieved. Bush is a liar yes, Republicans are liars yes, democrats are liars politicians are liars in general, it's not their means to be, and for the record in a democracy it takes more than just the president to make any decisions included our legislative branch by 2/3rds vote on anything and last i checked the US Senate is almost divided 52 reps and 48 dems not to mention the House of Reps who sways more dem than rep. So Bush and his "administration" even have to pander to the crowds on the other side of the line as well but because he's the frontman and has to be the one in the spotlight, we automatically push blame to him. When it all comes down to it this is the world how it is now, griping about anything is not a progressive step for you or society, just hope we get better candidates by the 08 elections, It's sad to think we could only muster a stupid texan who looked like a monkey and a jerk-off fake hero who looked like an Ent from lotr (sounded like one too).
and just to toss it in there cuz i can! I'm republitarian which is a gun toting patriotic party believing in a mixture of a republican approach to issues and a libertarians who believe in less government and more hard work and earn. And to brag again about my education on all this:
B.A. in Business and Marketing with a minor in Political Science General and World from University of California then Princeton for my final 2 years. And also for the record im not a crazy patriotic dumb american, i'm an immigrant from Japan and America rocks so much more! WOOT! :D
Author:  NatureWarrior [ Mon May 16, 2005 8:37 pm ]
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I understood half of that paragraph you wrote Subcity. I think it's cauz your half Japanese or maybe I'm tired... Dunno but if I recall I didn't see any clear point of view as to the question: Is Bush a fucken terrorist. I do remember you saying that Saddam commited genicide but a lot of politicians have but you wouldn't know. A lot of poloticians tried to hide deaths of many people. But today's technology and the search for truth makes finding these murders and their reasons possible. Look at the Kursk incident and how it sunk. Both Clinton and Vladimir Poutine thrived to hide the true story about how the sub went down killing all of its passengers. 118 russian men died in the incident involving ANOTHER SUBMARINE that was American. The Memphis. The Memphis was a small fishing boat compared to what the Kursk was. Kursk did have nuclear weaponry on board and you have no clue what the Russian government tried to do to hide the truth. Books were wrote about this story and all the news channels said the same thing. An old disfunctionnal missile blew up in the Kursk leading it's passengers to death. It discusts me how many lies have been told to the people to hide political war games between governments. After the Kursk was sunk the american government removed 10 000 000 000$ off the Russian dept to America. Poutine used the money to give families of the dead russian soldier 25 000$ each. Make them shut up and stop searching for the reason why. This little incident could have created another cold war between America and Russia and you can trust me nuclear weaponry would have been used if it was the case. Many people would have died and heck the planet would probably destroyed or in a nuclear winter if that had been the case. Thank god Clinton was in power at that because he was into peacefull solitions rather than all out war. Yet again, he lied and ordered the truth not be told. I've searched hours on the internet for the true story and I could not find it. Maybe I should make a website telling about this true story and the Apollo 13 incident and many more lies the government have told us. Wonder if I would get my computer taken over by virus or spyware or I would get a phone call home from some american officials or so. Or maybe I would just get murdered and it would be put down as an unfortunate accident. So many thing even you Subcity don't even know about.

Believe it or not Sub but the Kursk was out to test a newly aquired missile at the top notch of technology on a Japanese submarine.

EDIT: I have finally managed to find a report about the true story of the Kursk and for those of you who get the History channel check this show out to learn more about political lies, games of power and how they hide the truth from you naive americans out there:


VANISHINGS: The Kursk Lost At Sea
Thu May 26th at 12:30pm
Thu May 26th at 6:30pm

In August 2000 one of the biggest maritime disasters of modern times hit the Russian fleet in the Barents Sea.

Oscar-II Class submarine the Kursk was the pride of the Russian Navy, and made the rest of the fleet look obsolete in comparison. Since the end of the Cold War, the Russians and Americans had kept a wary watch on each other, so when the Kursk left harbor on a major summer exercise an American sub was not far behind.

The exercise started well, but suddenly all contact with the Kursk was lost. Confusion, secrecy and the remainder of cold war antagonism all contributed to the disaster that followed.

This program reveals the true story behind the sinking of the Kursk, the rescue and salvage attempts and eventually the terrible loss of its 118 man crew, and offers an explanation for how the disaster could have happened
Author:  Abib [ Mon May 16, 2005 8:46 pm ]
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jeez subby, ever heard of paragraphs?


gooooooosshhhh
Author:  Thorfin [ Tue May 17, 2005 1:26 am ]
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blob wrote:


also about how america has caused the most wars and blah blah blah.... the Catholic Church, England, France, Poland, GERMANY (did some people not learn about Adolf H .itler? i mean he did kill the most j .ews), and what about Futile Japan and China. Why blame america is it because we actually do something about the state of our planet by removing a person that was committing genocide on mass levels? or should we sit back and not do anything about it like the French? (they are pussies).



WTF?!?!? Did Poland cause any war? Edited by Echo: inappropriate behaviour
We were attacked twice( 1st and second world war) so stop saying that we caused any f****** war. Maybe u mean medieval times(yeah about 11 century..., ur country werent in plans even) so blablabla. Yes America helped us in 2 world war, but only because Japan attacked it!
And erhm...what about Vietnam, Iraq, and other countries? Have u got anything to say about it???
Author:  Echo [ Tue May 17, 2005 2:13 am ]
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Thorfin - I've tolerated this thread so far as people wish to discuss this topic, and I've no problem with that. Insulting others/flaming like you have is 'frankly' unacceptable. Do not continue with this kind of attitude towards other players in the forums.

Thanks
-Echo
Author:  Subcity [ Tue May 17, 2005 2:43 am ]
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I know about Kursk Naturewarrior and you just shifted stories entirely and it isn't my japanese that you can't understand it's most likely you're tired and I know about more cover-ups and incidents than you think I do and that is a point i am trying to make. ALL politicians are corrupt even if it wasn't their means to be or even if it was, so is Bush a terrorist? because of Iraq? i don't think because of Iraq. But maybe for something else he may have done that the people may or may not know about. And Kursk wasn't the worst of it, how about the other 20 million Russians Stalin killed through testing of weaponry as opposed to a few hundred? Thats a real terrorist. Makes Bush look like small fry compared to him. So if this a question about Bush being a terrorist believe me there are much bigger political war criminals out there than him. We're in a War, do you know of another country IN THE WORLD who has won wars and given back the land to the inhabitants of that particular place? Why do you think Vietnam was a big stink and for so long? because we'd capture a hill then turn it back over to the people only for it to be seized by opposition again the next day. The people of Iraq have been given their country back with the help of us, it is now within the people's hands and lots of them have died for that cause of their own rights to rule themselves but so did America when they broke away from the British.
American persuasion in any country has never been bad we have turned things to gold infact, Take World War 2 for example, AFTER America kicked hell out of Japan and Germany in 2 Theatres, they both became big thriving properous countries with our influence in there, If it wasn't for America Japan would have never been the thriving megalopolis of Eliteness it is now being the most SUCCESSFUL country IN asia.
Or how about North and South Korea for example, after the Korean war when America pushed the communists across the DMZ and secured the border, South Korea became another democracy that was prosperous and to this day is another country with success, and yet North Korea is like a 3rd world country where people are starving to death and the only decent way to feed your family is joining the military. They have ran out of so much food that even pigeons and birds have almost literally gone extinct there.
Anyhow we live in a much more complex world with a new breed of miseducated and misinformed people especially the ones running our world, The war on terror is a false name for a war with Iraq but i'll agree to Bush being a terrorist, because they all are and unfortunately it has come down to who's the biggest terrorist of them all and I personally prefer my President to be terrorist who strikes other terrorists before they get the chance to, keeps me safe in my bed dreaming of Abib! :P
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