I believe Cirius has heard enough to change his perspective a little on how things are here at Obsidian. Let's get back on topic please.

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Anyone remember when Jimmy quit because Mack killed his stang and he had to be talked back into playing....

On Topic now....when I was training taming almost 3 years ago CV told me himself that the best way was to herd animals into the static houses around the world and tame that way, so I wouldn't have to follow them around. He just warned me to never go AFK - or he would put my skill back to 50.

I am still waiting for an answer from CV because i PMed him about this. This is a tactic for training taming that has been around since b4 i started playing, and now you guys want to make it illegal cuz some ppl afk it? Why not make it illegal to smelt ores 1 by 1? Or to make daggers and resmelt them. You can AFK that too.

This has been around since long before you started playing:
This is black and white, as written by Broadband. There are no grey areas here.

In terms of taming, 'Confining an NPC' includes any static, player-placed, or GM-placed construction, building, item(s), or enclosed area that prevents free roaming of the animal(s) at hand.

Whether the animal spawns there, is gated there, or is led there by a player is completely and utterly irrelevant. There are hundreds of animals to tame out in the open.



It is not open for discussion.

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Thassius
"Blessed are the noobs, for they shall inherit Obsidian" - Thassius

Or when RmX quit and deleted his chars cause he got PKed, then lucked out, got his chars back, only to quit again when he got PKed? LAL

On topic - I've been countlessly seen by staff members over the past 3 years using static housing for rides, animals, etc. There was no issue with this aslong as they were TAMED and RENAMED so they could tell it was cleared from the spawn and no longer an "NPC" but rather - a pet.

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As per that rule I'm the one who wrote it and I'm the person who's always been in charge of spawns both world spawning and dungeons so it's my rule and have serious reasons and ramifications other than just for pvp/stealing horses reasons which is how this who discussion started.

To futher clarify

If it is an animal that you personally own and it's in your house, fenced area, etc that's fine. A perfect example of this is sheep. Especially for sheep tamers will tame the sheep and stable them and sometimes they might go wild. I know when I was a player there for a while I had like 20 sheep stabled in my little house in the northern territory. Likewise you could have a mount in your home and not play for a week and during that time it went wild. These are acceptible things.

What isn't allowed it taking an untamed animal or someone else's animal either through herding or through attacking and luring to trap any animals, monsters, npcs, whatever in your home or private property.

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So for instance, say we tamed 10 grizzly bears, dropped them in a static house for fellow tamers to "train" on .. there's no issue with that right? Since they are pets, and have been removed from the spawns?

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You should either love me with a passion, or hate me to death..

First of all a "static" house is public property. There should be no concievable way to "trap" animals in this public property. Anyone could walk in and kill those animals, or open the door and simply let them roam free.

Second off I certainly hope you aren't using some kind of exploit to tame relatively dangerous animals to tame "safely" using some kind of wall, pathing, or line of site exploit which is a completely different issue entirely than what's being discussed here.

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Victor F. Laurence
aka GM CyberVic, Livistos, Soriathus, etc.
Read my blog "Enthusiam" at
http://www.victorlaurence.com

lolz, you're not catching what I'm asking, but you did semi answer it in your first paragraph.

There was an issue around people "locking" tamed grizzlies (merely closing the doors to houses, which anyone can open) in static housing around the world, so they didn't have to *wander* around after the animals whilest they are macroing Taming.

Now as far as I can remember, this is perfectly legal, but we are asking you to clear the issue up.

P.S - I'm quite aware that abusing LoS by using static housing to tame red animals is illegal, but completely not what I was asking.

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I think that's your answer right there. Basically what he is saying is putting them in static areas is not locking them because the door doesn't lock. If i interpret what he said correctly it's that this rule does not apply here.

CV the issue that we are having here is that people are finding 'out of the way' static buildings in which to train taming... this makes it alot easier to AFK than out in the wild.

Given the size of the game world in relation to the amount of active players on at any one time, the chances of being disturbed in a remote location (as per your suggestion) are slim to none.

Thus, the end result is no different to putting them into a locked building of your own.

It was actually GM Bob that first thought this shouldn't be allowed, and personally I agreed with him because of the above.

What do you think? Perhaps we should just come down extra hard on those who are caught AFK in this situation? I think we were just ruling on 'no taming in buildings' (static or private) because it deters people from exploiting this to train taming in private (especially AFK) without the animal moving away.

Naturally once the animal has been tamed (as per the sheep you mentioned) then the above does not apply. We have been recommending that players rename rides once tamed in order to make this apparent. We have also taken no action with regards to sheep for the same reasons you stated.

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Thassius
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I honestly see no issue to those who want to risk taming inside a static house, you are open to be pked by anyone... it's not like you are just "safe" behind a "locked door" it's a public building, and animals even tend to spawn INSIDE these static buildings, for instance, near cove.

I would like to hear a ruling from CV though, not other GM's. Once an NPC is tamed and re-named, it becomes a pet, correct? So is there an issue to taking these "pets" putting them in a building, and taming on them (NOT AFK).. I remember CV you once told me you done this as a player and it made a tamers life WAY easier.

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You should either love me with a passion, or hate me to death..

I'm always hard on AFK macroers. The issues sounds like an AFK macro issues not putting untamed or tamed animals in a static public building. There is nothing wrong or illegal about that. AFK MAcroing or LoS exploiting is another story.

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Victor F. Laurence
aka GM CyberVic, Livistos, Soriathus, etc.
Read my blog "Enthusiam" at
http://www.victorlaurence.com

Thank you very much for clearing that up!

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R.I.P Will A.K.A Affliction/Bush-Fire/Decayed-Stone - "Stoners live and stoners die. f*** it all, let's go get high"
You should either love me with a passion, or hate me to death..

Does this mean I get my skill points back in taming?

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